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Do catholic have seven extra books |Books in old and new testament



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If you pick up a modern copy of the NIVKJV or ESV translation of the Bible all popular among non-Catholic Christians. You'll count a total of 66 books listed in the old and new testaments combined. Now pick up a Catholic Bible and do the same. You may be surprised to find that there are 73 books. 

There seven more do Catholic Bibles have seven extra books.to answer that question let's ask the more fundamental question .how did we arrive at the collection of books we call the Bible today. everyone should realize that the Bible didn't just come down from heaven neatly arranged with a perfect table of contents. For starters during Jesus's earthly life. there is no consensus on which books counted a scripture regarding what we now call the Old Testament. You can see this in debates between the Sadducees and the Pharisees in the New Testament.

 The Sadducees only accepted the Torah or the law but first five books of Moses as Scripture while the Pharisees admitted other books such as the prophets like the books of Isaiah and Jeremiah. This debate among the Jews continued for centuries after Jesus's ascension eventually somewhat of a consensus would emerge among the Jewish rabbis but by this point Christianity was already spreading quickly ,and the rabbis had no authority over the followers of Christ and their scriptures .only the Christian Church could make a determination like that .seven books that the rabbi's debated over included the books of
 1.Tobit
 2.Judith
 3.1Maccabees
 3.2Maccabees
 4. Wisdom
 5.serac
6.Baruch

 and parts of Daniel Nestor. these books were considered Scripture by many Jews during Jesus's time and copies were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, but also rejected by others it's very interesting to note that these books included extremely messianic references and many scholars believe that some rabbis rejected these books in light of Christian .messianic claims about Jesus .some say that these seven books must be rejected because they weren't originally written in Hebrew but Creek .as arbitrary as that standard sounds discoveries at Qumran where the Dead Sea scrolls were discovered revealed that some of these books were likely written in Hebrew originally not that it matters anyway since Jews of this time were happily using scriptures written in Greek including the Apostles who almost exclusively wrote in Greek. In fact two-thirds of the time when the New Testament authors quote from the Old Testament they are quoting from a Greek translation of the Old Testament called the Septuagint. Which included the seven supposedly extrait seems the Apostles didn't   issues with these seven books.

 Not to mention that were quoted and accepted as Scripture by several early Christian writers such as Saint Agustin. And for those who argue that these seven books can't be inspired by God because they aren't referenced by Jesus or the Apostles which is debatable. Keep in mind that there is never a direct quotation in the New Testament of Joshua, judges, chronicles, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, Ecclesiastes, the Song of Solomon, Obadiah, Zephaniah or Nahum. plus the bible quotes books that didn't make it into Scripture such as when the Book of Enoch is quoted in Jude 1:14 through 15 so the New Testament references can't be our standard of determining which books are in or out of the Old Testament.

Moving onto the New Testament we have to realize that there wasn't initially a strong consensus about what counted as Scripture here either. remember that the Gospels and biblical letters were written in various cities to different audiences at different times and they weren't immediately and widely circulated once written it's a time and effort to copy and spread these work sand for them to obtain wide spread acceptance as authentic Scripture. 

Adding to the confusion there were dozens of books and letters which some believe to be divinely inspired but did not ultimately make it into the Bible. Such as an apocalyptic work called the Shepherd of her mas or the letters of clement a Rome a roman bishop who near the Apostles .many were utter fabrications in full of error but it was often hard to tell so in all this confusion who had the authority to decide which books were divinely inspired and which were not after all these books would be used by all Christians as the inerrant Word of God for centuries to come. the fact is the very first time that we see the 27New Testament books we use today arranged into a single list is in letter from a Catholic bishop named Athanasius and in 382 ad Pope Damasus the first called a council in Rome were for the first time in Christian history. A complete list of the Old and New Testament books was formally defined.

The Catholic councils of Hippo and 393 in Carthage and 397 reaffirmed the biblical Canon soon after these same councils included the seven books mentioned earlier which Catholics have in their Old Testament. in fact the list of books which Catholics still use today went onto be used for over 1,000 years by Christians before Martin Luther decided to propose a different canon of Scripture in the 16th century .Non catholics today may be surprised to learn that luther not only rejected those seven Old Testament books that Catholics retained but he also considered getting rid of Hebrews James Jude and revelation from the New Testament. if you don't believe me do a search for Luther's cannon and read about how Luther removed certain books from the Old Testament and considered removing certain books from the New Testament .his choices went on to influence Protestants for years to come. the only reason Hebrews James Jude and revelation didn't get removed from Protestant Bibles is because Luther's followers thought removing these books was a step too far and even Luther had his own doubts but the seven Old Testament books were good to toss out apparently however Catholics retained the consistent collection of Scripture that has been used by Christians for centuries since ancient times affirmed by bishops and councils throughout history. 

At the end of the day you have to ask yourself do you trust Martin Luther enough to take his concerns about the Old Testament but not as concerns about the new. is your choice in the Canon of Scripture rooted in the choices of a single man and his followers who live 500 years ago or is it rooted in the centuries-long consensus of an infallible Church of Jesus Christ, guided by the Holy Spirit from the beginning of Christianity and protected from error. In conclusion, no Catholic Bibles do not have extra books. It's actually other Bibles which are missing books because they were removed 500 years ago. If you're a Bible believing Christian and base your faith on the Scriptures I  lovingly invite you to consider the Catholic Church where the whole and entire Bible is waiting for you.

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